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[MCAndrew]

RinOkami, on 24 December 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

For the love of all that is good, people, GET. OVER. IT.  This is how the video game industry works, ya nubcakes, I'm sick of having to rehash this.  When new hardware gets released, old hardware goes the way of the dodo.  Expecting Pokemon to stay on the DS is like expecting it to have stayed on the GBA last gen.  That's completely ridiculous.

I don't know why you're getting angry over this, as its my own opinion. And no one told you to scream at other people for a simple discussion over what console the games are going to be in, that's childish. As for your reply, it's not guaranteed the series WILL go to the 3DS, for my previous points. I never saw one piece of credible evidence revealed by Nintendo themselves that the main series will go to the 3DS, so I'm not going to be automatically convinced. If it goes to the 3DS, then fine, but if it stays on the DS (hypothetical), then Gamefreak has proven a large number of fan bases wrong. Granted, there is a high possibility the series will go to 3DS, I never said that they won't. I see 3DS as just another console where it will either fail or be a console for spin off games. Considering this is 3D, there WILL be eye problems for young children somewhere, and I'm pretty sure Gamefreak doesn't want that. And this is MY opinion. So don't try to think I'm some half-witted idiot because there are things called opinions. You either listen or don't.

[MAGNUS-8M]

No offense, and I'll try to be as polite as possible, but it'll have to go to 3DS.  Pokemon is a HUGE cash-cow, and there's no way Nintendo or GameFreak/Pokemon-Inc is going to cannibalize their potential hardware sales by supporting an old system. Part of the reason they avoided 3DS for B/W2 is because when those games were in development, the 3DS wasn't well established enough to cut off their sales to all the people who didn't have one yet.  And they also needed it to be as backward-compatible with the first game as possible, and making it for the DS/i helped with that, and it also helps that the 3DS is backward compatible with the DS as well.

It's true that because of that compatibility they COULD just as well make the next Pokemon series for the DS again and just expect 3DS owners to put up with it....again  But if the next gen introduces even more new Pokemon, and they want to avoid making a Gen-V-3.0, they'll want a new engine, and as much as they've pushed the DS already, they'd definitely do better making it for the 3DS than not.  3DS can also hold larger cartridge memory sizes, as well as allow for digital-sales of first party(and some third party) games, so knowing they can make some sales that don't cost shelf-space or the price of physical cartridges might also appeal to them.  (And honestly, I think always having Pokemon on the system at all times would be helpful, rather than needing to take out and put in different carts all the time.)

As far as avoiding 3DS because of it 'possibly failing' or just being for spin-off games only or the 3D part... it's not really too big of a deal for them.  Number one, if 3DS hasn't outsold the Gamecube by now, it's probably at LEAST outpaced it(that is, it's probably sold more in this stage of its life than Gamecube did in its time at that point in its life), and although the GCN is probably the least-sold Nintendo system aside from Virtual-Boy, it still wasn't a failure.  Most statements have said that 3DS is actually outpacing where the original DS sales were in this stage of its life, so it's well on its way towards being a viable platform for new Pokemon games.  Not to mention that a new Pokemon game would definitely spur sales for those who haven't bought one yet.  Secondly, there's no reason to believe that it would only be for spinoff games other than the fact that only spinoff games have been on it so far, but the same could be said of the DS when it first launched.  (Such as Pokemon Dash, which was practically made into a mini game on HeartGold/SoulSilver, or games like Pokemon Trozei.)

...and as far as the 3D option, it IS just an option, and if the parents are taking responsibility of their child enough to be worried about all the claims about 3D affecting children's eyes, then they should be able to just go into the system settings and have 3D turned off, and have it set to a PIN password to prevent them from reactivating it.  (And no, moving the slider when 3D is disabled in the system settings won't re-enable it, so as long as the parent knows how to deactivate it, the kid shouldn't be able to reactivate it on their own, without the PIN anyway.)

Again, not trying to challenge your opinion or shame you or anything, because I hate it when people try to shut me down with cheap tactics like that... but I can't just agree that they absolutely will not make the next game for 3DS only, just because they could potentially make more software sales on DS.  They did make Gold and Silver backward compatible for the original Gameboy, but Nintendo also made Link's Awakening DX backward compatible too....yet, when it came to making the two Oracle Zelda games for GBC, they were only for GBC, not compatible with GB(and they even had some extra unlockables for those playing it on the GBA).  The fact is Pokemon is a huge draw, a dangling fish hook, and now that the 3DS is mostly well established and even the latest Pokemon games are still in high demand, now would be a great time to put that carrot on a stick to use on the 3DS.  There's no reason to keep dangling that carrot in front of something they already have, and system-sales are a big reason for top-selling games like that to be made.  Software sales on their own are nice, but hardware sales with attached software sales are what they really want, and Pokemon would do that for them VERY well.

[MCAndrew]

I can completely agree with the points you came up with. There are only two things I am wondering about:
1. Will the 3D compatibility be prominent, or will it be only for a small part of the game (mini games)
2. How will the DS games and 3DS game be compatible (slot compatibility like 4th gen with GBA games?)

[MAGNUS-8M]

Nintendo has never made the 3D in their games necessary, so even if it is or isn't prominent, you could always disable it with probably no problems.  Honestly, 3D is very unnecessary in a turn-based RPG, so anything they make for it will probably be minimal, and used to 'wow' and excite you at key moments, like entering a town for the first time for example.  But I doubt it'd be a VERY big deal.  Maybe if they actually begin using 3D models like they have for the Pokdex-PRO, which would be awesome, they might have stereo-3D be more prominently used.

As far as transferring pokemon from DS to 3DS games, likely it'll be exactly the same as transferring Gen-IV to Gen-V - you'll need at least one 3DS and a DS or second 3DS for that.

...unless you mean being compatible with the DS itself, in which case no, they've already done that with two Gen-V titles(technically being DSi titles, which were compatible with regular DS systems), I seriously doubt they'd do it again.  I've already given multiple reasons why they would want a new engine on a system that can handle it(not to mention making digital sales on a 3DS game), and especially if they go with 3D models(seeing as how they already have them for the Pokedex-PRO) they wouldn't have the processing power to handle that as far as being a DS~3DS compatible cart.  They could stand to sell a lot of systems with a 3DS-only game and I'm sure they'll want that more than catering to people who already own a DS and have for years, and now that 3DS is well established and already down in price, it would be a lot more likely that they'd be willing to let go of the DS crowd, which they've already been VERY generous to already(I mean good grief, NINE games across three or four versions for the MAIN series, not to mention a lot of side games, even as recently as Pokemon Conquest).

[MCAndrew]

MAGNUS-8M, on 25 December 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Nintendo has never made the 3D in their games necessary, so even if it is or isn't prominent, you could always disable it with probably no problems.  Honestly, 3D is very unnecessary in a turn-based RPG, so anything they make for it will probably be minimal, and used to 'wow' and excite you at key moments, like entering a town for the first time for example.  But I doubt it'd be a VERY big deal.  Maybe if they actually begin using 3D models like they have for the Pokdex-PRO, which would be awesome, they might have stereo-3D be more prominently used.

As far as transferring pokemon from DS to 3DS games, likely it'll be exactly the same as transferring Gen-IV to Gen-V - you'll need at least one 3DS and a DS or second 3DS for that.

...unless you mean being compatible with the DS itself, in which case no, they've already done that with two Gen-V titles(technically being DSi titles, which were compatible with regular DS systems), I seriously doubt they'd do it again.  I've already given multiple reasons why they would want a new engine on a system that can handle it(not to mention making digital sales on a 3DS game), and especially if they go with 3D models(seeing as how they already have them for the Pokedex-PRO) they wouldn't have the processing power to handle that as far as being a DS~3DS compatible cart.  They could stand to sell a lot of systems with a 3DS-only game and I'm sure they'll want that more than catering to people who already own a DS and have for years, and now that 3DS is well established and already down in price, it would be a lot more likely that they'd be willing to let go of the DS crowd, which they've already been VERY generous to already(I mean good grief, NINE games across three or four versions for the MAIN series, not to mention a lot of side games, even as recently as Pokemon Conquest).

Most people have been stating about the 3D functionality being used in battles, which I don't think will happen and personally, I think it will take away the "pokemon-ness" of Pokemon. The last thing I want is for Pokemon to look extremely realistic and take away the aspects of Pokemon. Maybe they can use the Pokedex 3D models, who knows? They might be able to make only the cutscences 3D. It's unpredictable which way Nintendo will go with this 3D aspect.

[MAGNUS-8M]

The 3D models would help a lot, so I'd be surprised if they don't use them...otherwise they're going to need to redraw ALL of the sprites for the new 3DS-sized resolution, then animate them, drawing many more frames than before, as well as doing that for the newest Pokemon, whereas 3D models could be posed in many ways without needing to redraw everything.

Nintendo HAS made 3D battle arenas before starting on the N64 and up to the Wii with their Stadium/Colosseum/Battle-Revolution series, so it won't be anything TOO drastic.  I understand wanting it to be like it was before, so while I think they <i>might</i> use 3D models, I think they'll keep it simple in presentation.  A large part of the game is repetition in wild-pokemon battles, so it would have to start and end pretty quickly, with most of the flair probably added to story/leader battles, hopefully.

And even though it would be on a new system, I don't think they'd quite have the resources to make it 'realistic'.  Anime-style and/or cel-shading would be fine with me, though.  I think it'll still be in the same familiar top-down view that the "3D" Pokemon games have been using so far(Gen IV and V), but I think they'll make the world more 3D than simply having a lot of 2D sprites on a 3D plane.  *shrug*  I'm very eager to see it, I just can't really afford it, especially by the time such a thing would release...

[RinOkami]

MCAndrew, on 24 December 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

it's not guaranteed the series WILL go to the 3DS, for my previous points. I never saw one piece of credible evidence revealed by Nintendo themselves that the main series will go to the 3DS, so I'm not going to be automatically convinced.

Given the 3DS's sales (which are pretty darn good, btw,) the DS is last gen's hardware and is going to be phased out.  They're going to stop manufacturing DS games altogether because that is what happens when the video game industry makes new hardware.  It costs too much money to keep their factories manufacturing two different types of game cartridges when they could just switch entirely to one, especially when a good majority of their customer base has already switched to the new hardware.  You might like to think that this time'll be different, but there's 30 years of precedent against you and no good reason for them to change. If it stays on a handheld (like GameFreak would make it a console only series...), and stays on Nintendo (like they'd ever let GameFreak sell it to someone else...) it will be on the 3DS because that really IS the only option for it.

As for the 3D, I have yet to encounter a 3DS game where the 3D was required to play it.  There are spots in Mario 3D Land that use it (a row of platforms looks like a flat row of platforms in 2D, but in 3D you see that one of them is actually above the others and you have to jump to get on it,) but that's a platformer.  I don't know how they would make the 3D required for battles, considering I'm sure they'll still be turn-based.  I can totally see the games going to polygon models instead of sprites though.  I mean they went to all the trouble of importing ALL the models from the console titles for the Pokedex app, and I can't see Gamefreak not wanting to recycle them for other things too (How long have they been reusing the Stadium models now?)  Although I do love sprite graphics.  I wonder how sprite based graphics would work with 3D?

And fwiw, I wasn't yelling at you, I was yelling at the internet, because you have no idea how many times I have heard people claiming that Pokemon will stay on the DS.  It's like trying to have a discussion with a brick wall.

[MAGNUS-8M]

Wario Land for Virtual Boy, as well as really almost EVERY VB title, had to use sprites.  The only one that had actual 3D was Red Alarm, and it was wire-frame at that.

Otherwise, modern day, we've had Mighty Switch Force on the 3DS eShop for a while now, and it uses 2D visuals with stereo-3D.  All in all, they work pretty well..it doesn't make the sprite look like it has depth, it just gives the individual sprites and background more depth detail...in other words it feels more like they're actually there than just being pasted onto the background.

Being top-down, as demonstrated by the Gen-IV and V titles, they can present the game in '3D' well enough too..and Gen V's battles were also quasi-3D. They'll just either do it again with more detailed 3D environments and possibly 3D characters/trees/etc, or they'll put most of the effort into only the battle system visuals.  *shrug*

What I want to see is the more detailed/non-chibi look of the Pokemon Ranger games, but probably with 3D models instead.  I loved the fluid animation of the 2D sprites in those games, but I just think, for a main series game, it would mean animating WAY too many sprites.  If they would make fully-sized cel-shaded characters animated fluidly enough(and by fluid I mostly mean anime standard 15~29fps), that would be enough for me.  But I'd love that sort of Pokemon Ranger styled 'realistic size' that the buildings, people, and pokemon had.... it was a lot more 'real' and felt really good to me because of that.  The taller characters in Gen V kind of helped with that for me, but it was still really grid-based and felt a bit artificial compared to Pokemon Ranger.

[jschuhfam]

I like Pokemon, obviously, its probably my favorite Nintendo series and i have all the games. (except B2 or W2 those dont excite me)

My first game was Blue and i put that in a package as a sorta shrine. And the only games i play though is Red and Emerald.

[Psychic_Will]

jschuhfam, on 27 December 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

I like Pokemon, obviously, its probably my favorite Nintendo series and i have all the games. (except B2 or W2 those dont excite me)

My first game was Blue and i put that in a package as a sorta shrine. And the only games i play though is Red and Emerald.

My first was Yellow.  It's still got some of my favorite video game music of all time.  I'm also partial to the slateport city theme.  Do you have a favorite bit of pokemon background music?

[Zyon]

On January 8th which is in 5 days, Game Freak will be announcing the next big news for Pokemon. This teaser was announced at the end of Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 trailer in Japan. Little info has been said on what exactly this news will be, but many have started speculating on what it might be.
Could this news possibly be:
- Pokemon 6th gen for the 3DS
- Another spin-off series(for the Wii U, or 3DS)
- Remakes of Ruby and Sapphire
- A new event pokemon
- Possibly new booster pack
- ....Pokemon Black 3 and White 3

Who knows what new news will be announced for Pokemon. However it's best not to get are hopes up to much, there could be a possibility that it's something that we don't expect. Regardless, what do you think will be announced on Jan 8th?
Personally I'm really hopping for remakes of R/S, but i'll settle for a 6th gen game :/

[GengarX]

They should also make a Pokemon Yellow remake in my opinion. That would be cool.

[Zyon]

GengarX, on 03 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

They should also make a Pokemon Yellow remake in my opinion. That would be cool.

I doubt they'll ever remake Yellow, they already made Leaf Green/Fire Red. An that goes for Crystal too since they've already made Heart Gold/Soul Silver, there's just really no point in making them(Or more referred to as the sister of the two, but for Black/White it's the squeal). The whole point in making the remakes was so the older games were compatible with the newer generations, an that way people that grew up later an missed out in the older generations could have a chance to play.

[GengarX]

Yes, they probobly won't, but I was just thinking about the graphics and the music.

[Zyon]

This morning Nintendo announced the next pokemon games in the series an they are Pokemon X & Pokemon Y. This will also be the first title of the series to come to the 3DS.(Finally this is the reason why I got mine)

These two games will bring stunning 3D worlds, 3D character models, an 3D battles. This is something that most of us pokemon fans have been waiting for long time now(some were even expecting Black/White to be 3D). Indeed they've scrapped the traditional 2D sprites, but I've got to say Game Freak did it right. These two games will be released worldwide in October 2013.

[MAGNUS-8M]

The worldwide release alone is one of the best things already.  I think the chibi look a little annoying because I was glad to see the slightly-more-proportionally-correct characters in BW1&2, but it still looks great.  I was pretty sure the series would go full-3D soon, and I think it looks really good.

If one of the rumors is true, there won't be a HUGE amount of new Pokemon, but that would be fine by me.  To be honest, I was just fine with the Pokemon Rainbow rumors if they had been true, but an all new region is good too.  (I do wish we could have that kind of game at some point though...if only because I'd hate to wait three or five more gens for Fire Red and Leaf Green to be remade with the latest engine while the others aren't.  Having them all on the new engine and on the latest platform at once would be nice.)

Of course... likely won't have the money for it by the time it launches, so I'm a bit hesitant to do any amount of keeping up with it, but at least from the trailer, I will say it looks fantastic.

[LeafShinobi]

Here is the new Wifi event for Black and White 2

[electabuzz]

I thought they were using the more proportionally correct characters for X and Y too, at least that's what I saw in the video. I'm impressed with the way Froakie and Chespin look, really not keen on how generic Fenekin looks at all.

[zachbatt]

Hi everyone I just started a leaf green RP here on punchwood. It's under Forum Games if you want to check it out. So far RSE have been my favorite games, although leaf green has been epic so far.

[MCAndrew]

There aren't much info released by Gamefreak itself, the rest seems to be all rumors. The only things that are established:
-The starters
-The legendaries
-Sylveon
-Its 3D

Nintendo announced something for the weekend, seems to be a new Pokemon? It will be worldwide, so keep that in mind.